“The Moon is Toxic”…”… But I guess some people are wilfully ignorant. As the moon orbits Earth, different parts are in sunlight or the dark at different times. As our closest neighbor in space, a time-capsule of planetary evolution and the only world outside of Earth that humans have stepped foot on, the Moon is an obvious and ever-present location for future exploration by humans. It’s about inflammation and infections resulting from cuts. 3. it is quite dangerous out there as thousands and thousands of spacial objects hit on the surface. They talk at some length about how and Ok, I’ll have to consider this carefully. On November 2, 2017, scientists reported that significant changes in the position and structure of the brain have been found in astronauts who have taken trips in space , based on MRI studies . That will require work by scientists to further assess the challenges. 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For his entry, Asa Schultz, who tied for first in the high school division, focused on the needs of people living on the moon. But its lack of an atmosphere adds to or exa… However, living on Saturn is not as glitzy and glamorous as it may seem. (NASA/JSC). 2. life is not supported on the moon as there is no air and probably no water also. Oh, and you mentioned Asbestos. I would think that if Martian dust was sharp like Lunar dust, it would have damaged Mars landers/rovers in a way that we would by now have detected (eg. Facts are the very core of the scientific method via repeatable results, not an irrelevancy as you suggest. The Moon might be the most realistic planet(oid) we can conquer. 1. PS: Don’t get a job as a professional dismantler of some sort. You’re right Torbjörn. But facts have no intrinsic value. Mars has silica and iron oxide. When moon dust is disturbed, small particles float about, land, and glue themselves to everything.Regolith does not brush off easily, and breathing it can cause pulmonary fibrosis, the lunar equivalent of black lung. See what it living on the moon would be like in this Space.com infographic. 3. asteroids. . In addition to that, the stuff is ALSO rough and abrasive. For the benefit of other readers, dude. 'The challenge is working out when the Moon truly is a factor and what is merely myth and legend.' Facts are not irrelevant. Another solution seems only natural: building living quarters underground. So what? These are more interesting, because they can be repeated by oneself and by others. “Once inside the lungs the super-fine, sharp-edged lunar dust could cause a slew of health issues, affecting the respiratory and cardiovascular system and causing anything from airway inflammation to increased risks of various cancers. On the moon the pressure would actually squeeze our body like a trashed can. Invariably when we write about living on Mars, some ask why not go to the Moon instead? A recent study even suggests that prolonged exposure could lead to more serious effects, like bronchitis or cancer. Even the part that looks like it’s not quoted is also copied and pasted directly from Wikipedia. Living on the Moon would be expensive. Naturally, North Carolina and the NRA would pass laws all over the place making the Moon legally non-toxic. Static charges must be dealt with by proper grounding or exposure to a mild alpha particle bombardment(?). Are you now going to find some other word in the Wikipedia copy-and-paste which you imagine to invalidate my point? — Because lunar dust behaves slightly different than the dust on Earth. There has to be a chemical or poisonous effect to make it toxic. 7. They do two things: directly interfere with oxygen absorption, and 2) cut up the surrounding tissue every time they are jostled. Food Shelter Water Oxygen NASA says the lunar pits on the moons surface, can provide future astronauts with shelter Light is fast. The surface of Uranus' moon Miranda (seen here) is pocked with craters, but humans might be able to find a way to settle it. You put the cut right after “The moon itself may be toxic to humans” in bold. “Facts have a well-known liberal bias.”. Water runoff filtered and reused, of course. True to form, a few years from now, a report will state that a little bit of moon dust everyday will help keep one healthy. It seems you’re starting to understand at last! As a result any sort of assault could have long term effects. With such a short sojourn, they caught merely a glimpse of the risks associated with survival there. Or, as you’ve posted in your brilliantly well thought out comment, that there has to be a direct physical interference with biological processes due to the nature of the substance. But it wouldn’t avoid the dust problem completely, would it? 'The Moon has been up there as long as evolution has been taking place, and lunar rhythms are embedded in the life cycles of many organisms,' Tom says. Similar lights have already been installed on the space station, where individual sleeping compartments can be darkened to simulate night. “Knife” isn’t a substance. I’ll ignore most of your statement which is essentially just reiterating your statement that facts are irrelevant, and just say this: Of course theories are important. In your scenario: 1. 2. However, living on a moon provides an extra dimension of complications. uploaded by neomam. Well, since I completely dismantled every argument you made, my work here is done. In 2017, Purdue University researchers helped discover a lava tube on the moon that could protect astronauts from hazardous conditions on the surface. This can be isolated. This is perhaps the biggest challenge. Wow, you assume a lot about where I’m coming from based on a two sentence reply. 1. They used to think that about asbestos, too! High Tides ... An abiotic factor is a non-living part of an ecosystem that shapes its environment. Snow is common in winter and lightning can be a danger on the exposed lava fields in spring and summer. Before too long, the astronauts couldn't help but breathe in the stuff, and Schmitt later complained of congestion and a kind of "lunar hay fever." Moron. This is not a toxic property either. Skin Damage. Strong winds can and do blow at any time of year. If we get back to the lunar surface, astronauts will have to contend with much more than perilous rocket flights and the vacuum of space. And Great. The moon has lots of aluminum. Asbestos does not “directly make you sick”, It takes 15 to 20 years from asbestos inhalation to lung cancer. Do you expect me to be impressed with that? 6. The Cost of Living on the Moon. Facts. Watch more: Does It Rain Diamonds On Saturn? So it’s a conclusive fact then, is it? I did not miss the section you quoted. You really needed The Dramatic Chipmunk. After all, we’ve done it before. 2. No mention of hypothesis vs theory in there. Those are sterility suits scientists use studying Apollo rocks, not hazmat suits. Instead rock will be dug out, the ore poor rock will be discarded back on the moon as slag (no mass loss), and the ore will be processed (slight mass loss). It now has all the funding it needs to send a robotic spacecraft to the moon in 2017. This is a mathematical way to describe the hypothesis, and provides a basis for a test bed before any physical testing. 1. “Anything in life involves some risk,” Mr. Hadfield said. 4. it is so cold out there we will be freezed in asecond if we expose ourselves. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001177/. Am prettay sure this subject has been covered before at UT? Hugs to Ceres to prove me wrong on this. I look forward to the Daily Mail article. A dime a dozen, and without intrinsic meaning. Only because repair is easier inside if possible, a property that they share with other equipment. Yup, that’s what I was thinking. Facts are unremarkable. the health hazards of the Moon’s fine, powdery dust — which plagued Apollo astronauts both in and out of their suits — are investigated in detail (or as best as they can be without actually being on the Moon with the ability to collect pristine samples.). Turns out that simply using ultrasonics snaps carbon nanotubes down in size, despite such nanotubes being ~ 100 times stronger than steel at that size. The research that can be done on the Moon — as well as from it — will be invaluable to science. You’re going to have to take this semantic debate up with someone else. Within their research the team, which included physiologists, pharmacologists, radiologists and toxicologists from 5 countries, investigated some of the following potential health hazards of lunar dust: Inhalation. Sloppy writing on my part. That would be worse, in the way that a knife coated However, astronauts who stay at a lunar base or colony might find there are unexpected consequences from this. Simply tangling with equal sized chromosomes is one hypothesis. That’s it. And he described the harrowing experiences of his crew when an oxygen tank on the Apollo 13 servicing module exploded 200,000 miles from Earth, forcing the crew to use the lunar module as a lifeboat (see his book "Lost Moon"). I did not suggest they were. And although a lunar habitat may never provide the protective bubble we take for granted on Earth, there may be a variety of options for safer lunar living. I just think that it’s a bit much to think of traveling to the moon (or anywhere else off the earth’s surface) as “safe” at our current and foreseeable level of technology. The researchers conclude that only studies conducted on-site will fill the gaps in our knowledge of lunar dust toxicity. NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I’m suspecting the author of that sentence doesn’t know what he/she is talking about, and made a very unscientific, silly guess. Is Mars the same? Needless to say, if particles can pose abrasive damage to human skin, similar danger to the eyes is also a concern. Why do it at all? Environment Light pollution: The dangers of bright skies at night. Only repeatable obvervations have some value. How would we survive? In 1968, NASA launched Apollo 8. Fact: My wife is in bed with another man, We can skip the math, model, hypothesis for the purposes of this explanation, 3. It can change in multiple ways, such as divorce, or counselling, or a separation period, or something like that. During the summer the black lava captures and radiates the heat of the intense … The good news is they can put a magnet filter in the ventilation system to snag any big bits in the air/airlock. r/EliteDangerous: The official unofficial subreddit for Elite Dangerous, we even have devs lurking the sub! First mining on the moon probably won't involve strip mining and hauling all of the material away. No, you’re incorrect. That is bad news for future lunar bases, which might be vulnerable to the shaking. Your bones would lose calcium. (Image credit: by Karl Tate, Infographics Artist) Close. As long as the lead-in paragraph “above the fold” accurately portrays the true nature of the article, IMO, all’s fair in love and blogging. So to summarize: moon dust is abrasive, so don’t get it in your eyes, rub it on your skin, or inhale it. The biological response to physical damage from particulates can be complicated. Mechanical damage induces a cellular response, which ends up triggering a cancer. Mars is a fascinating planet, the most like Earth of all the planets in the solar system, and may help us to understand much about the origins of life on Earth. He made no actual comment of his own. Because there is no air on the moon, dust never erodes. As a stepping stone for manned exploration to Mars or other planets, an orbital staging post seems likely to be more achievable. Asbestos is poisonous, and therefore toxic. These are verified summaries provided by the mathematics in the model, and borne out by observed data that was obtained by the mathematical model and subsequent experimentation. 3. “Often the more interesting and the more unusual the things you do with your life, the greater the inherent risk.”. Oh, I see. Come prepared for whichever season you choose to visit. Long-term human exposure to the lunar environment has never been studied in depth, and it’s quite possible that — in addition to the many inherent dangers of living and working in space — the Moon itself may be toxic to humans. In the hierarchy of importance, facts are at the lowest level. You seem to have too many references against Wikipedia in your comments. The terrifying reality of actually living on Mars The first spaceships that could carry humans to the red planet are being developed now, but we need to discuss accommodations once we're there. At the same time, the danger of irradiating space crews could be avoided by properly making the shell of the spacecraft. Toxic ?…… Does anyone know, why the Lunar mission was called “APOLLO MISSION”……. Comprehension is not a strong point of yours. The lava tubes carved by ancient volcanic activity could potentially be turned into spacious living spaces. 5. User account menu. Hypothesis. With more countries establishing their own space programmes, and an increasing number of private companies entering the field, i… They’re true. The moon’s tidal force has a much greater effect on the surface of the ocean, of course. If the medical textbook you quoted from doesn’t qualify its statement about toxicity, then it is at best incomplete. However, once in deep space – on the way to the Moon or Mars, for example – the dangers of lethal doses of radiation become an increasing worry and … Laws. 1. It does raise the question of whether the moon is worth returning to though. Asbestos actually isn’t any more chemically toxic than Lunar dust. This belongs to R&M problems, not egress problems. 4. “Sleep is the biggest thing to protect for a crew member,” Albert Holland, a NASA psychologist, said. Let’s not forget that a toxic substance is harmful due to either chemical or poisonous means. Ah, the most important and perplexing question facing long-duration human presence in space! The main “toxicity” issue with lunar dust comes from the fact that the sharp particles of dust are so small that they can imbed themselves deep, in your lungs, where your body can’t remove them. Wow! Theory: My wife is having an affair (Note that even if this theory is conclusively proven to be true, it would still not be a fact. When the Apollo astronauts walked on the moon, the dust clung to their spacesuits, scratched their visors and made their eyes water and their throats sore. > Why is moon dust dangerous to humans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis Etc. Why not get with the program – you appear have something to offer in these discussions, but no sense of respect or dipolmacy. On Jan. 20, when stargazers across the Western Hemisphere watched a lunar eclipse, some saw a flash of light strike the moon’s reddened surface. “lunar dust particles are small enough to penetrate deep within lung tissues, and may be made even more dangerous by their long-term exposure to proton and UV radiation.”. Despite NASA’s successful Apollo landings, humans have spent very little time on the moon. There’s got to be a way to clean them, though. Lets just hope the “recycled” water is only used for cleaning. You put zero effort into your grand response. Living On Mars Might Have Unique Benefits - And Risks - For Humans. Surely there would be some dust on the backplate that could still sneak its way it. of large numbers of free radicals and excess electron sites on the surface of dust grains. Sleep may not come easy on the moon. “Since 2010, NASA has been testing out the effects of what living in space can do to the human body, to prepare them for the journey to Mars, and also for living there” 9. The Moon affects life on Earth in three main ways Obviously though, if we want to make long term habitats on these bodies we need to work this problem more. – We want to go to the Moon anyway, for the science reasons Jason mentioned in his article. 1. Explore the challenges and benefits of building a lunar colony. But if you were doing it anyway, there are many effects. This would mean the air would be lost to space though, so it’s not without its disadvantages. and what happened to the piece of scalp lost to the dark witches (CROWS) ?……, Wikipedia has it that then NASA manager Abe Silverstein, thought that the image of “Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program.”. Those cosmic rays have the power to charge through both strands of DNA, snapping them in two and causing cancer. It’s much closer and has a generous selection of minerals. Future astronauts might traverse the lunar landscape for much longer, giving them ample time to breathe in the deadly dust. Yes, the textbook is wrong, because it didn’t add false information to “qualify” things in a way that suits you. – Even if we would only want to go to NEOs or Mars, we will have the same problem in spades. How about a reference from a medical textbook, published in 2008: Moon receives more harmful UV radiation then Earth does. Just let the suits stand outside and bathe in UV rays for most of the mission. I agree 100% with your provided reference as to what a FACT is. 2. The first in a series of six articles announcing the supposed discovery of life on the moon appears in the New York Sun newspaper. that will do damage to tissues and then present more surface for the Having a scratched cornea is no fun, but if you’re busy working on the Moon at the time it could turn into a real emergency. This seems to be a generic problem outside of Earth, which general physical and chemical dust properties we have evolved to handle. 7. It damaged the seals on the boxes of rock and soil that they brought back to Earth. In total, 12 Apollo astronauts lived on the lunar surface for roughly 10 days, and traveled outside their lander for only 80 hours. Instead rock will be dug out, the ore poor rock will be discarded back on the moon as slag (no mass loss), and the ore will be processed (slight mass loss). I don’t think you’d want to carry enough to replace them every time they started getting clogged. Astronauts reported the Moon smelled like gunpowder. This in no way changes anything I’ve said about science and facts. Presto! Extreme cold in the winter and extreme heat in the summer are the rule at Craters of the Moon. I think you missed several comments on cleaning. And that makes it toxic — so much so that Harrison Schmitt complained of “lunar dust hay fever” after his journey on Apollo 17. u/DeExil. A good degaussing and an electro-static discharge station would help, too. So the lesson is to always have a shower before entering the living quarters. Topographic maps, however, revealed an easy, 21-degree slope. Hahaha. For reference: We expect facts to exist. Perhaps the platform could even be vigorously vibrated to further loosen any dust that sticks to it or to the moonwalker’s boots. The first thing they noticed about the dust was that it went airborne right away, and that it smelled like gunpowder. Long term exposure would be toxic and death would be a race to toxic death or a massive allergic reaction. I disagree with the portrayal in the article above that moon dust should be called toxic, actually the whole moon, but that’s another topic, because moon dust is sharp and can cut your skin or lungs or eyes. After all, you're not orbiting the sun anymore; you're orbiting a much closer object that has a much larger impact on the physical conditions of your world. This is very much NOT a toxic substance, by the facts presented in this article. I know it’s tempting to go for attention-grabbing tabloid-like headlines, but it’s a tad insulting to this site’s audience who are usually intelligent enough to see through it (as evidenced by every single slightly controversial heading being called out in the comments… which is often tedious and predictable, but also necessary feedback in my opinion). Elite Dangerous is a space simulator … Press J to jump to the feed. As astronauts enter a habitat or transport their suits will need to be cleaned. 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